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Here's what fans are still discovering about Red Dead Redemption 2

Video games, no matter their genre, are a predetermined experience. Designed properly, however, an open-world game creates the illusion of freedom, and Red Dead Redemption 2 is one such game.

Do you want to follow the core storyline? Do you want to do camp chores? Do you want to go fishing? Do you want to go hunting and make yourself a coonskin cap? The game allows you tackle any of these tasks, in any order. A sense of freedom comes from how spread out everything is. You have to ride on horseback to reach the river, but first you have to ride to the bait shop to buy lures. And on these trips, you cross an endless variety of terrain.

This world is huge and that's has led dedicated players – the sort of players who've already exhausted every single challenge and every single mission – to dig even deeper. Are there secrets beyond the "secrets" Rockstar have already told us in the guidebook? Are there glitches that can give us a peek behind the scenes and foreshadow possible DLC content to come?

We went on social media to investigate. What are fans discovering? What are fans investigating? And what conclusions can we draw from any of this? Here are the latest findings in Red Dead Redemption 2.

A screenshot of Emerald Ranch in Red Dead Redemption 2

The Emerald Ranch mystery

One of the random missions you can receive is from a woman whose horse died. She needs a lift to Emerald Ranch and while you're headed there she fills you in on the local gossip. Apparently, the ranch owner's daughter is kept locked in her house, and there was some violent act that occurred in the saloon before it was shut down. There are entire threads on Reddit dedicated to solving this mystery.

If you camp out by the main house and keep your eyes on the top windows, the daughter will occasionally look out; most players catch a glimpse of her around 9-9.15pm. The saloon is covered with blood; if you look behind the saloon, you can find the grave of Joshua Burgess, who, his tombstone claims, was shot accidentally. According to a letter you can find in a tipped-over mail carriage in Cumberland Forest, Joshua may have been one of the daughter's suitors, before she was locked away.

What exactly happened in the saloon? Who fired the fatal shot? Players are still trying to work that out.

A screenshot of a missing poster in Red Dead Redemption 2.

Where's the princess?

At the Van Horn Trading Post, at the easternmost end of the map, you can find a missing person poster hanging outside the saloon. Take it down, and take a look; it states that 15 years ago, Princess Isabeau Katharina Zinsmeister disappeared, and Luxembourg is offering $100 for her safe return.

Is it possible to find and rescue this princess? No one has found her yet, but she'd be a young woman by this point.

There are some clues to go on. Her toys and belongings are on sale at the Fence nearby; her trunk is labeled with the the initials "IKZ," and is surrounded by fancy toys.

It's been speculated that the Princess could be one of the women in the saloon, or even the woman in the window at Emerald Ranch. None of them, however, have the identifying birthmarks mentioned on the poster.

Glitching into Mexico

Around the middle-end of Red Dead Redemption 2, Arthur and the gang head to the island of Guarma. It lasts for a chapter, and then, you head back to the United States. If you haven't completely explored the island, you won't get a second chance at it; the rest of the game (and the epilogue) occur on the main map.

But the Red Dead community have figured out a way, via glitches, to get back to Guarma (see above). You can even cross the border into Mexico, where you can see buildings and landmarks that were iconic from the first game.

What, exactly, is this doing here? Mexico, while a centrepiece in the first game, has (thus far) no narrative purpose in Red Dead Redemption 2. Was this a chapter that was planned and later abandoned? Is this proof that Mexico-themed DLC is on the way? Rockstar haven't confirmed, one way or the other.

A promotional screenshot featuring riders silhouetted against the moonlight in Red Dead Redemption 2.

Nice photo!

As anyone who plays this game can attest, you'll be riding on horseback a whole lot. It's a slow but steady mode of transport; it allows you, even at top speeds, to appreciate the scenery around you. You can even enter "cinematic mode" during a long trip; the horse will direct itself to its destination while you take in your surroundings.

So, it makes perfect sense that photography has become a player pastime. This is an open world that you're meant to admire.

The day/night cycle, along with the dynamic weather, allows for an endless variety of composition and lighting. There's an entire subreddit, called /r/reddeadphotography, which is dedicated to capturing and celebrating the most beautiful images possible.

Wait, whose voice is that?

Spoilers ahead.

One of the ongoing debates in the community concerns a vocal glitch. Sometimes, when you're playing as John Marston, he'll speak in a completely different voice. It's unknown exactly what triggers this, but many players are claiming this is an adult Jack Marston's voice, and might be proof that single-player DLC is on the way. Adult Jack appears in the epilogue of the original Red Dead Redemption; could we get a Red Dead Redemption remake, or a continuation of that storyline?

To be fair, there are also videos that claim to debunk this theory. Give it a listen, and see what you think.

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10 Unpopular Opinions About Red Dead Redemption 2 (According To Reddit)

Released in the fall of 2018, Red Dead Redemption 2 earned instant critical acclaim and enormous commercial success, generating $725 million its opening weekend and becoming the second highest-grossing entertainment launch of all time (following Rockstar's own Grand Theft Auto V, signifying their total dominance of the 2o10s).

RELATED: The 10 Best Areas Of Red Dead Redemption 2, Ranked

Most people agree that the game is excellent and a shining example of video games as art, but opinions often diverge in regards to the minutiae. Not every aspect of the game will land with every player, and some people disagree on certain aspects of the game's production. Some of these opinions are legitimate and popularly held. Others, not so much...

10 Arthur Is Never Redeemed

The entire point of Red Dead Redemption is, well, redemption. It begins with an outlaw reflecting on his waning time in the world and ends with said outlaw making amends and spiritually redeeming himself. But not according to u/peteypete420.

They bluntly claim that "Arthur is a s***bag murderer, he is never redeemed. He does some s*** for a family of killers instead of a group of killers, and dies a criminal's death." Harsh words, and definitely an unpopular opinion.

9 The Game Is Boring

Red Dead Redemption 2 veers closely to realism, and in some player's eyes, that realism comes at the cost of good gameplay. This is summed up by Reddit user u/dcirrilla, who claims that the game is boring.

They write, "The gunplay is way too easy and the stakes of the story seem so small. I don't feel like the game has big enough consequences to really engage me and the fact that I can abuse the auto-lock aim system doesn't help." Quite an unpopular opinion, especially considering players have the option to turn auto-lock off.

8 The Game Plays Itself

Reddit user u/Bizrat7 shares a similar opinion, arguing that the game essentially plays itself. They write, "I would literally set a map marker on a quest, set my horse to auto-travel there, and then watch YouTube until I got there. Engage in a shootout by pressing L, then R. Then L, then R. The game essentially plays itself."

Some people defended the gameplay mechanics and criticized u/Bizrat's approach to the game, including u/Mainehammer207. They make a great point in saying, "Honestly I think you missed out on half the game entirely. If I fast traveled everywhere, was distracted on my phone and used Dead Eye to kill everyone then obviously the game will get stale."

7 The Story Is Actually About John

There's no denying that John Marston plays a huge role in Red Dead Redemption 2. He and Arthur's brotherly relationship is constantly expounded on, and John's character development is necessary for shaping the John that players know and love from the first game.

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u/John-Shaft argues that, "This game is completely about [John Marston], and Arthur is our vessel to help us guide him to the story of [Red Dead Redemption]." It's a fair point, but to say that the game is "completely about John" may be overdoing it a little.

6 The Story Is "A Dragged Out Mess"

Even the most ardent detractors and critics of Red Dead Redemption 2 agree that the story is great. But u/ghrumebul isn't having it. They argue that "the story is a dragged out mess complicated by timing in that it can't ever be sure that the player just went from story mission to story mission or spent three weeks f***ing around in the mountains."

While this may be true, that's the case for every open-world video game, not just Red Dead Redemption 2. This is also somewhat mitigated in-game, as characters will make direct reference to Arthur's prolonged absences.

5 The Game Is Extremely Frustrating

It's safe to say that Reddit user u/NFIGUY does not like the game. They penned a long and detailed response as to why they hate the game, concluding, "If I wanted some s*** to be extremely frustrating and difficult to accomplish, I've got real life for that".

However, some other users noticed the line, "I quit during the deer hunting bull*** and shelved the game," prompting some defensive remarks. For example, u/DuanePipe writes, "You don’t have a valid argument if you haven’t even finished the tutorial."

4 Traveling By Horse Is Boring

Red Dead Redemption 2 is very intentionally paced, and the long horse rides are all part of the experience. There are tons of random encounters to experience and beautiful sights to see, and it's very easy to get distracted while traveling from A to B. But one Reddit user hates it, writing, "Having to ride your horse everywhere is unbelievably boring and time consuming".

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However, u/CheechIsAnOPTree was quick to clap back, saying, "The game has 3 forms of fast travel. Arthur's map, trains, and coaches. Just saying. If you're going to complain about something complain about something actually wrong with the game".

3 Guarma Is Great

On the flip side, even the most ardent defenders of Red Dead Redemption 2 generally agree that the Guarma chapter is not great. It makes for an odd and out-of-place narrative detour, it significantly limits exploration and freedom, it strips all accumulated weapons and items from the player, and it goes on for far too long.

But u/Just_Some_Bloke_UK loves it. They write, "I really enjoy Chapter 5. The battle against the army from the sea is up there with my favorite missions in the whole game and also I like the change of pace."

2 Not Liking New Austin

New Austin sits in an odd place in Red Dead Redemption 2. It's off-limits throughout most of the game (it can only be explored in the epilogue), players can't explore it with Arthur, and it's mostly just a high-definition remake of the map from the first game.

But then again, its uniqueness is exactly why players love it - that and the nostalgia. But u/-Captain- doesn't like it, writing, "Seems like it is thrown in there for no other reason than just being there".

1 Loving HDR

HDR is a relatively new concept to console gaming, as it can only be experienced on 4K TVs with high dynamic range capabilities. Most games with HDR look significantly better than their SDR counterparts, complete with greater contrast, better colors, brighter whites, and deeper blacks.

But Red Dead Redemption 2 proves the exception, and some feel that the game looks noticeably washed out and rather colorless when HDR is activated. But u/solsikkebby loves it, writing, "I like the washed out, fake HDR look better." Many people would disagree, favoring colorful landscapes and general brightness over a drab palette, but to each their own. This is an unpopular opinion after all!

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Red Dead Redemption 2: 10 Unpopular Opinions (According To Reddit)

After years of waiting, Rockstar finally released Red Dead Redemption's prequel back in 2018. Given its predecessor's success and the name Rockstar built for themselves - with huge titles like Grand Theft Auto- this game was widely anticipated. Red Dead Redemption II broke several records and generated more money in its opening weekend than Avengers: Infinity War in the same amount of time.

RELATED: 25 Wild Red Dead Redemption 2 Fan Theories (That Might Actually Be True)

The game received huge critical acclaim and, with over 34 million copies shipped, is one of the best-selling video games of 2018. Still, RDR2 received minor criticism due to a few problems with its controls and the pursue of realism over players' freedom. Some fans took on to Reddit to share their more unpopular opinions about this prequel.

10 RDR2's Story Isn't As Good As The First Game

The amount of dedication Rockstar put into this game made it the massive success that it is. The script alone was over 2,000 pages just for the main storyline! When it released, the game had universal acclaim from critics, becoming the highest-rated PS4 and Xbox One game on Metacritic, alongside GTAV.

Its story was so well received, The New York Times called it an example of video games as a work of art. However, a certain Redditor believes RDR2 wasn't that great compared to its predecessor, RDR. For user u/Qwerty4755 key story elements, don't make sense, like Dutch's gang loyalty or the death of major characters seemingly out of nowhere.

9 RDR2 Online Could Be Better

In 2019 Rockstar finally release RDR2 online counterpart, Red Dead Online. The multiplayer had overall positive reviews, and it still manages to pull players in. So much that recently Rockstar decided to launch Red Dead Online as a separate experience from RDR2, which means you can now buy the online version of the game for only $5.

However, as this Reddit user points out, Red Dead Online isn't as great as his big brother GTAV online, and it misses the charm Arthur gave to the original storyline.

8 Micah tried to save Arthur

Micah is a character that deserves all the hate he gets from the RDR fandom. He is one of the sequel's antagonist and is the Judas of Dutch's gang, turning them into the authorities in exchange for some cash.

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However, a certain Reddit user seems to disagree and believes Micah was trying to save Arthur all along. This user points out that Micah told Arthur, "You stick with me, and you'll live," when the Pinkertons were coming for the gang. In a way, he tried to save RDR2's protagonist, even if Micah was the one who put him in danger in the first place.

7 Rains Fall Is One Of The Best Characters

Rains Fall is a major character in this game and the Wapiti Indians' Chief. He is portrayed as a pacifist and wise character, acting almost like a father to Arthur. He has one of the most touching storylines in the game. The US Army killed his wife and son, and still, Rains Fall refuses to use violence against those who harmed him and his people.

However, as this Reddit user points out, Rain Fall doesn't get the amount of hype he deserves as he is one of the best characters in the game.

6 The Guarma Chapter Was An Awesome Experience

Red Dead Redemption II's fifth chapter takes you out of the wild west and into a tropical Island east of Cuba, called Guarma. After this chapter is complete, Arthur and his crew return to America, and players can't reaccess Guarma.

This chapter is very short compared to the others and takes you out of the cowboy immersion, making players feel like it is a filler chapter or one that doesn't tie to the plot. However, for a certain Redditor, this fifth chapter is an awesome experience. In the same post, another user adds that the Guarma chapter marks the start of Arthur realizing just how paranoid Dutch is.

5 John Isn't That Great

Before starting RDR2, players already know all too well one of its characters, John. Though he is the protagonist of the first game, in this one, he acts like a supporting character until the end of the game when you get to control him.

John is the most prominent character in the RDR series and a fan favorite. Unless you are this Reddit user who doesn't like John, they are not the only ones who feel this way as other users add that John is a mess in RDR2 who doesn't have his priorities together.

4 Sadie Is A Bad Character

When you first start the game, Sadie is just a defenseless widow who the gang rescues and adopts as one of their own. However, as the story unfolds, she gets stronger and is hell-bent on getting revenge for her husband's murder.

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Sadie's arc of self-improvement and loyalty towards Arthur makes her a character player's love, much to this Reddit user's dismissal who thinks Sadie is a bad character. The user points out that Sadie is reluctant to accept Arthur's help because she doesn't need help from a man; she's impatient and reckless and even has an annoying voice.

3 Abigail Isn't That Great

As John's on-and-off significant other, Abigail is another character that appears in both RDR and RDR2. Though she no longer is a prostitute, her past is something John has a hard time getting over with, even making him believe that their son, Jack, isn't his. This dilemma is the core of most of Abigail's and John's discussions, as she wants him to care for them, but John isn't interested in family life.

While at the end of Red Dead Redemption II, John eventually settles down, some players still don't like her. Abigail is pretentious - for this Reddit user - a slacker and a disinterested parent who should treat John a little better.

2 The Big Areas Of "Wasted" Map Are Good

Red Dead Redemption II's map is huge, almost four times the map's size from the original. To get things into perspective, RDR was set in New Austin with a little bit of West Elizabeth and Mexico. However, in RDR2, New Austin is just one of the five regions you can play in.

One of the things that makes this map so big is that places, like cities or towns, are far apart, which means you have to spend a few minutes on your horse to get anywhere. This may seem like a tedious thing to some players unless you're this Reddit user who approves of this design decision. This "empty" map is good to the user because they like a setting that's all about the wilderness and getting away from civilization.

1 Cleet And Joe Seem Like Decent Guys

Cleet and Joe are minor characters that are associated with Micah. The latter introduces the player to this pair in the mission "My Last Boy," when the gang needs people to help in the upcoming robbery. In the last game moments, both Cleet and Joe side with Micah and hunt down Arthur and John.

While most players would consider this pair minor antagonist, a certain Reddit user thinks they're pretty okay guys. The user points out that neither of them is rude or unpleasant when you talk to them or that it makes more sense for them to side up with Micah - whom they already know - than to go with Arthur.

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Red Dead Redemption 2: 10 Unpopular Opinions (According To Reddit)

After years of waiting, Rockstar finally released Red Dead Redemption's prequel back in 2018. Given its predecessor's success and the name Rockstar built for themselves - with huge titles like Grand Theft Auto- this game was widely anticipated. Red Dead Redemption II broke several records and generated more money in its opening weekend than Avengers: Infinity War in the same amount of time.

RELATED: 25 Wild Red Dead Redemption 2 Fan Theories (That Might Actually Be True)

The game received huge critical acclaim and, with over 34 million copies shipped, is one of the best-selling video games of 2018. Still, RDR2 received minor criticism due to a few problems with its controls and the pursue of realism over players' freedom. Some fans took on to Reddit to share their more unpopular opinions about this prequel.

10 RDR2's Story Isn't As Good As The First Game

The amount of dedication Rockstar put into this game made it the massive success that it is. The script alone was over 2,000 pages just for the main storyline! When it released, the game had universal acclaim from critics, becoming the highest-rated PS4 and Xbox One game on Metacritic, alongside GTAV.

Its story was so well received, The New York Times called it an example of video games as a work of art. However, a certain Redditor believes RDR2 wasn't that great compared to its predecessor, RDR. For user u/Qwerty4755 key story elements, don't make sense, like Dutch's gang loyalty or the death of major characters seemingly out of nowhere.

9 RDR2 Online Could Be Better

In 2019 Rockstar finally release RDR2 online counterpart, Red Dead Online. The multiplayer had overall positive reviews, and it still manages to pull players in. So much that recently Rockstar decided to launch Red Dead Online as a separate experience from RDR2, which means you can now buy the online version of the game for only $5.

However, as this Reddit user points out, Red Dead Online isn't as great as his big brother GTAV online, and it misses the charm Arthur gave to the original storyline.

8 Micah tried to save Arthur

Micah is a character that deserves all the hate he gets from the RDR fandom. He is one of the sequel's antagonist and is the Judas of Dutch's gang, turning them into the authorities in exchange for some cash.

RELATED: Red Dead Redemption 2: 25 Tricks From the Game That Casual Fans Have No Idea About

However, a certain Reddit user seems to disagree and believes Micah was trying to save Arthur all along. This user points out that Micah told Arthur, "You stick with me, and you'll live," when the Pinkertons were coming for the gang. In a way, he tried to save RDR2's protagonist, even if Micah was the one who put him in danger in the first place.

7 Rains Fall Is One Of The Best Characters

Rains Fall is a major character in this game and the Wapiti Indians' Chief. He is portrayed as a pacifist and wise character, acting almost like a father to Arthur. He has one of the most touching storylines in the game. The US Army killed his wife and son, and still, Rains Fall refuses to use violence against those who harmed him and his people.

However, as this Reddit user points out, Rain Fall doesn't get the amount of hype he deserves as he is one of the best characters in the game.

6 The Guarma Chapter Was An Awesome Experience

Red Dead Redemption II's fifth chapter takes you out of the wild west and into a tropical Island east of Cuba, called Guarma. After this chapter is complete, Arthur and his crew return to America, and players can't reaccess Guarma.

This chapter is very short compared to the others and takes you out of the cowboy immersion, making players feel like it is a filler chapter or one that doesn't tie to the plot. However, for a certain Redditor, this fifth chapter is an awesome experience. In the same post, another user adds that the Guarma chapter marks the start of Arthur realizing just how paranoid Dutch is.

5 John Isn't That Great

Before starting RDR2, players already know all too well one of its characters, John. Though he is the protagonist of the first game, in this one, he acts like a supporting character until the end of the game when you get to control him.

John is the most prominent character in the RDR series and a fan favorite. Unless you are this Reddit user who doesn't like John, they are not the only ones who feel this way as other users add that John is a mess in RDR2 who doesn't have his priorities together.

4 Sadie Is A Bad Character

When you first start the game, Sadie is just a defenseless widow who the gang rescues and adopts as one of their own. However, as the story unfolds, she gets stronger and is hell-bent on getting revenge for her husband's murder.

RELATED: Red Dead Redemption 2: 5 Ways To Make Money (& 5 That Are A Waste Of Time)

Sadie's arc of self-improvement and loyalty towards Arthur makes her a character player's love, much to this Reddit user's dismissal who thinks Sadie is a bad character. The user points out that Sadie is reluctant to accept Arthur's help because she doesn't need help from a man; she's impatient and reckless and even has an annoying voice.

3 Abigail Isn't That Great

As John's on-and-off significant other, Abigail is another character that appears in both RDR and RDR2. Though she no longer is a prostitute, her past is something John has a hard time getting over with, even making him believe that their son, Jack, isn't his. This dilemma is the core of most of Abigail's and John's discussions, as she wants him to care for them, but John isn't interested in family life.

While at the end of Red Dead Redemption II, John eventually settles down, some players still don't like her. Abigail is pretentious - for this Reddit user - a slacker and a disinterested parent who should treat John a little better.

2 The Big Areas Of "Wasted" Map Are Good

Red Dead Redemption II's map is huge, almost four times the map's size from the original. To get things into perspective, RDR was set in New Austin with a little bit of West Elizabeth and Mexico. However, in RDR2, New Austin is just one of the five regions you can play in.

One of the things that makes this map so big is that places, like cities or towns, are far apart, which means you have to spend a few minutes on your horse to get anywhere. This may seem like a tedious thing to some players unless you're this Reddit user who approves of this design decision. This "empty" map is good to the user because they like a setting that's all about the wilderness and getting away from civilization.

1 Cleet And Joe Seem Like Decent Guys

Cleet and Joe are minor characters that are associated with Micah. The latter introduces the player to this pair in the mission "My Last Boy," when the gang needs people to help in the upcoming robbery. In the last game moments, both Cleet and Joe side with Micah and hunt down Arthur and John.

While most players would consider this pair minor antagonist, a certain Reddit user thinks they're pretty okay guys. The user points out that neither of them is rude or unpleasant when you talk to them or that it makes more sense for them to side up with Micah - whom they already know - than to go with Arthur.

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